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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:25 pm 
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okay rank you thoughts on the most powerfull *EVIL* guys(aka the ones we will get to kill)

1)sargras(whole version spirt and body combind and full powers)
okay now i know what your saying that noob? but if you read the lore on him hes got a thing with long drawn out plans(medivh) so it is possiable that were all just playing into his web of death. i realy think that kazzakans (or w/e) end boss is gonna be sargras spirt thats gonna led to a quest(becuse we freed him!) to the broken isles(where his tomb is[sans his eye{poor one eyed bastard}])

2)ner-arthas
bad ass bad boy king of the dead nuff said

3)deathwing
dead no planing our deaths oh yea. chould have a quest to get freindly with the other flights so we can enchant our stuff to go threw his armor(haxer)

4)kil'gind(again SP?)
leader of the burning legion now that sargras is ploting to kill us all and eat our epics! more of a master mind pulling the strings on "lesser beings"
(guldan and illy) wants ner-arthas dead becuse hes afraid of him and is pissed at ner'zul

5)the naga queen ole whats her face
the old queen of the high borne. hot and powerfull wanted to bang sargras and marry him


so yea theirs my list debate and post your own or dont i realy dont care

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Good post Rauko, here is my list.

1.) Sargeras - Sargeras is a titan and plain and simple he has gotta own
2.) Arthas - Its been said that he is the most powerful being to ever walk Azeroth.
3.) Kil'Jaden - Guess
4.) Deathwing - Guess
5.) Ashara - Guess

This was actually alot harder then I first thought it would be because there are alot of things to consider. For example:

- Sargeras could be weakened due to the fact that he has been without his body for so long.

- Ner'Zul was trapped in Ice from the Twisting Nether. That may not seem like a big deal but think about it this way. Nerzul was the best mortal warlock that ever existed and when he merged with the ice from the Nether, a place of concentrated magic his powers must have grown exponentially. Much like Rhonin in the war of the Ancients.

- Deathwing has not been seen for to long I have no idea whats going on with him

- Same with Ashara yet she has a pact with The Three and we don't really know what all they have granted her powerwise.

- Kil'Jaden has always been a bit of a mystery to be since he never fights and seems to be more cunning then powerful.

Now if we look at the Warcraft RPG they have power levels listed for a few of these people

Sargeras - 73
Ashara - 52
Deathwing - 34

Now if those hold true in WoW I'm not certain.

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Sargeras is the top dude, has always been the top dude, will always be the top dude.

Arthas is a powerful necromatic death knight, powerful as hell from his merger with Ner'zul. I think I'd put him on par with the power of Deathwing + Demon Soul.

Deathwing is a powerful badass dragon who was driven insane (or was found insane and that played to their advantages) by the old gods. He is the reason the orcs were so powerful during the end of the warcraft 2. I'd put him just below Arthas.

Azshara, bitch queen of the Naga. Insanely powerful Naga Sorceress. She by herself is not as powerful as Deathwing but with her army she might be more powerful. We know she controls the Naga and controlled the Satyrs while they existed in Kalimdor back in the day. Her current powers are largely unknown as is the size of her forces... She warrents more research.

Kil'jaden is Sargeras's right hand man. He was said to be more powerful than Archimonde. Theres no real proof of this in lore however due to the fact that he doesn't fight. I'd put him at a questionable state of power though I'd assume Arthas could bitchslap him.

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well sargeras is the big bad guy it all comes down to in the end he didnt lose his body and control(so they say) of the buring legion for nothing. i also think he whouldnt see the death of his mortal shell(medivh) and plan for it.

and i put deathwing over kil'jaden becuse hes
a) an aspect and they have the powers of the titans. nuf said
b) covered in adamantum(SP?) hard ass metal
c) is insane...(from the old gods if i guessed right)

deathwing may be imprisoned by the other flights(whould explain why the twins are runing the flight) maybe in that red dragon place.... i cant remeber the name.....

and you have to remeber azshara actualy scared the demons in the books and made them her slaves(lesser demons) and that was before the colapse of the well whos to say it didnt infuse her with even more powers.

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Sargeras cause hes a titan. There a lot of other powerful souls out and about in azeroth though too.

then again though. he is in a tomb, so they tells you something...

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Sargeras was already killed. His sprit then bonded with the guardians soul that killed him and her son(which his soul possessed in a sense) aka Medivh went mad and there began the whole Dark Portal thing.

We will never fight Deathwing or any other Dragon Aspects as one of there deaths would bring horrible reprecussions for the world of Azeroth possible almost destroying it as they control all aspects of the world.

It is rumored that Deathwing may be imprisioned by the Red Dragonflight inside the ruins of Grim Batol or in the land now known as Outland.

And Arthas and Illidan more then likley will not be enemies you fight also.


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Leviathon, there is no actual proof that the death of any of the aspects would bring about horrible reprecussions. They may embody the actual aspects of the world as granted to them by the Titans but they are not the actual aspects themselves. Sides, if they would have brought about horrible reprecussions.. I'm not so certain that the 4 sane aspects would have challenged Deathwing in "Day of the Dragon".

Arthas will be a raid boss. It would be the only point to adding Northrend other than the Crypt Fiend empire there.

Same with Illidan unless they plan to use him for a 3rd faction.

Sargeras's spirit was purged from Medivh's by the actions of Lothar and Khadgar. We know for a fact that he can survive as a spirit without a body for at least small periods of time. The corpse of Sargeras in the tomb is still there. However, that was a small manifestation of Sargeras. Most of the bastard is still floating about in the Twisting Nethers.

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I cannot see Arthas being something you will fight though in the game. His power alone would have no problem destroying a 40 man raid...of course in a expansion raids may be able to be even larger then 40.

As for Illidan I would more imagine hed be neautral unless he decides to betray the Night Elves again even after TFT. I would more imagine we would fight Maieve before Illidan. Unless he decided to follow Sargeras's orders and was ordered to fight us as a 3rd faction was already deemed not going to happen by Blizzard and races and classes would only be added to the current factions.

Just things like Aspects,Titans and old gods I cannot see Blizzard allowing us to fight them to the death. Fighting lesser titans, the Old God Lieutennants are probably as far we will go with the Old Gods like Thunderan and Ragnaros and possibly Kel'Thuzad when Naxxramas is opened although I could see his fight end more with him giving up.

Northrend can have several more purposes then Arthas and the Ice Crown. There is the entire empire of Azjol'Nerub there, the Blue Dragon Flights home the Dragonblight, and the last Titan city. And then theres the fact hero classes are coming with the expansion and you need some place to level :p

Really we can argue on this point forever up untill October when Blizzard releases what is coming with the expansion and its new bosses. lol


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I cannot see Arthas being something you will fight though in the game. His power alone would have no problem destroying a 40 man raid...of course in a expansion raids may be able to be even larger then 40.

As for Illidan I would more imagine hed be neautral unless he decides to betray the Night Elves again even after TFT. I would more imagine we would fight Maieve before Illidan. Unless he decided to follow Sargeras's orders and was ordered to fight us as a 3rd faction was already deemed not going to happen by Blizzard and races and classes would only be added to the current factions.

Just things like Aspects,Titans and old gods I cannot see Blizzard allowing us to fight them to the death. Fighting lesser titans, the Old God Lieutennants are probably as far we will go with the Old Gods like Thunderan and Ragnaros and possibly Kel'Thuzad when Naxxramas is opened although I could see his fight end more with him giving up.

Northrend can have several more purposes then Arthas and the Ice Crown. There is the entire empire of Azjol'Nerub there, the Blue Dragon Flights home the Dragonblight, and the last Titan city. And then theres the fact hero classes are coming with the expansion and you need some place to level :p

Really we can argue on this point forever up untill October when Blizzard releases what is coming with the expansion and its new bosses. lol


First: Thunderan != Lieutennant.. its a common misconception. (Yes, I have made it before too)

Second: As for Arthas, a 40 man raid group of hero classes. Think about it now :)

You might be right about the aspects and old gods.. Titans like the races cause they made them so I don't think we'll be fighting the actual Titans. The only aspect who wants to screw over life on the planet is deathwing.. and think about it. He'd make a damn good raid boss :P

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I did say he was a Lieutennant just like Ragnaros is lol Guess I didn't word that well enough. None of the old gods we will ever vs unless some wierd event occurs where they can be pulled from the Nether where the Titans trapped them. Definitly enough dead old god Lieutennants in this game the dead one in Darkshore(with the giant glaive in its head), one is under Tirisfal(High Elves sensed the strange energy which made them move east to Quel'Thalas) then a few more I can't think of. Then the 2 lieutennants who have been killed in game so far Ragnaros and Thunderan.

But yea 40 hero classes you got a point there after people level those up to fight Arthas or severly weaken him(maybe some world event where people need to continue to weaken him over time to stop the Scourge).

And Deathwing well if we fight him it may be like all the other times he fought and he gets away as I bet he would be pissed enough that his son and daughter were killed. :p And thats if the rumor that the Red Dragonflight has him trapped in Grim Batol isn't true.


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First of all. Describe power.

Creation>destruction.
Commanding an army, the ability to currupt souls, the ability to fight 1on1.

Illidan is a powerful sorcerer. And a moderate fighter. Arthas was a powerful fighter. And owned Illidan 1on1.
Nerzul dominated the souls of the entire Northrend, and Lordereon.
As the Lich king he is being fed by all the souls he has enslaved. He is litterly as powerful as the 100000 Nerubians, Humans, Highelves, gargolyes, etc he has enslaved.
The ability to grant immortality.
Corrupting the very earth with his plague.


Sargeras was listed as the champion of the Titans. He single handedly defeated the Eredar race. (Archimonde/Kil jaden's race.) They were the two top warlocks. But he defeated their RACE, not just them.

Dreadlords. Weak alone. But remember. They corrupted Sargeras. It was the dread lords that turned him to chaos and the shadow.

Azshara. Unknown. Some things to consider. 1. well of eternity. its the source of teh arcane on Azeroth. Stated many times as being as massive sourse of power. Drew Sargaras, the burning legion, etc..
And she delved deeply into it. And presumably still did after the sundering.
She opened the portal for the burning legion first. Worshiping Sargaras as a god.
She has a natural command over demons.
Its said she made a pact with the Old gods, to survive the sundering. its possible. Wheither she is then stonger or weaker then them remains to be seen.

Old gods. As a whole weaker then the Titians. Individually, likely stronger.

Titans. I think titans will not return to Azeroth as friends. Its entirely more likely a Terran/Protoss thing will occur. Azeroth has become corrupt, and they will come back to purge it.


Malfurion Stormrage for instance isnt known for his singular power. Alot of people could beat him in a fight for instance. his power is his wisdom.


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well if i cant go kick arthas in the shin as a hero lvl chac whats the point?

and as for power i mean in how many nights are we gonna stay awake trying to find a way to kill them power. :roll:

whos to say killing deathwing whould be a bad thing maybe his powers whould just be passed onto another race.

40 man raid? why cant they up it into new areas 100 man armys of mixed horde and alliance.

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Illidan isn't a sorcerer hes a Demon Hunter :P


Kil'Jaeden was a Eredar Warlock but Archimonde was a Dread Lord also known as the Nathrezim.

Both are completly different races and from different planets.

Queen Aszhara is in the old capital city Suramar now known as Nazjatar of the Night Elves which was recently risen from the deep sea in the Maelstrom. The Well of Eternity....well it no longer exist as it went boom with the rest of the center of the continent. She had no command over demons at any time and was more of a pawn of Sargeras to bring him into the world to gather the energy of the well. It is true that Aszhara made a pact with the Old God of water to survive the reckoning which in turn put her and her people which are now the Naga in the services of the Waterlord.

http://blizzplanet.com/content/wow/unre ... zjatar.jpg Most people saw that already but thats a map that came with the collectors edition.

As for the Titan order we will learn more of that as the last 2 titan cities Uldum(Titans Greenhouse) in Tanaris and Ulduar in Northrend are opened.

The Old gods well put it this way, an entire army of the titans couldn't beat them and had to trap them in the twisting nether to stop them, what makes you think mortals can :p


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Kil'Jaeden was a Eredar Warlock but Archimonde was a Dread Lord also known as the Nathrezim.


They were both Eredar warkocks.

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Queen Aszhara is in the old capital city Suramar now known as Nazjatar of the Night Elves which was recently risen from the deep sea in the Maelstrom. The Well of Eternity....well it no longer exist as it went boom with the rest of the center of the continent. She had no command over demons at any time and was more of a pawn of Sargeras to bring him into the world to gather the energy of the well. It is true that Aszhara made a pact with the Old God of water to survive the reckoning which in turn put her and her people which are now the Naga in the services of the Waterlord.


I think Ashara did have some command over the demons. I dunno shes wierd and they never fleshed her out well enough. Basically she could just get people to obey her every command and for all we know the demons did that. I think calling her a pawn isn't giving her enough credit.

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The Old gods well put it this way, an entire army of the titans couldn't beat them and had to trap them in the twisting nether to stop them, what makes you think mortals can :p


Actually worse then that the old gods are still in Azeroth. The titans banished the elemental servents to the Nether but not the gods. The Three still exist in this world.

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Meh I messed Archimonde up with someone else.

As for the gods I am still learning about them :p


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