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Its the Scythe,Aragul,Master of Karazan controling them


In the spirit of totally derailing this thread.....

Who on earth is the master of Khazahan? I have read that some people think that its Kilrogg Deadeye but I haven't read a thing to support that. Come to mention it I haven't heard a think about Kilrogg since WC2x.

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No one knows for sure.

Rumors are Teron Gorefiend too.

We know its a necromancer/sorcerer. The dark riders sound much like the old death knights of WC2. Which leads to the Gorefiend idea.

The ogres lead to Kilrogg. That is a good idea too.


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Teron Gorefiend!! Not Kilrogg, I'm an idoit please ignore me.

So where does that rumor come from?

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Now to think of it we do not know what 1.8's isntance is and since Hakkar is the being corrupting the Emerald Dream along with the other things coming in 1.8 it seems more and more likley that the Emerald Dream is coming.

Of course its the matter of which Hakkar...If its the Soulflayer then its really possible that the Emerald Dream is coming but if its Hakkar the Houndmaster then it can be a completly different thing.

As for Karazhan I don't know much about what can be leading things there.


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okay i just thought of this at work and it realy blew me away

okay so remeber in TFT when illidan got the eye and he used it to try and destroy the frozen throne but his brother stoped him. now here the important part when he found out what lil illy was doin he said "it feels as though the earth is being torn asunder" or something like that.

BUT heres the key who sent illidan on the path to get the eye?

thats right the pyshco handmadien of azhara vahj

now then where does my ramblings led? to the old gods

azhara is making her move to free the old gods using the eye was the first try.

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Are you sure it was Vashj and not Kil'Jeaden that told him that?

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i think kil'jedaden just said "hey dipshit go break up this block of ice or ill wear your skin like a coat, maybe if you do ill give you some shiny magics"
and the naga that he "summoned" said "hey we know this place with this stuff thats wicked awesome."
and illidan said "cool"

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Leviathon wrote:
Now to think of it we do not know what 1.8's isntance is and since Hakkar is the being corrupting the Emerald Dream along with the other things coming in 1.8 it seems more and more likley that the Emerald Dream is coming.

Of course its the matter of which Hakkar...If its the Soulflayer then its really possible that the Emerald Dream is coming but if its Hakkar the Houndmaster then it can be a completly different thing.

As for Karazhan I don't know much about what can be leading things there.


Hakkar the Houndmaster got ripped a new ass in the War of the Ancients. He won't be returning. As for Hakkar being the corruptor of the Emerald Dream, He is less powerful than Yersa and is currently hanging out in ZG. If I remember Blizz told us that the guy corrupting it would be in the moving section of the corruption.

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WHAT IF ( Crazy theory time ) Xavius IS the nightmare. Think about it, Malfurioun turned him into a tree, a part of the Emerald Dream. Maybe he then became part of the dream and his demonic essence going along with him. Also you gotta take note that this nightmare didn't show up until after WC3.

Edited: I put the houndmaster the first time

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Then theres the whole idea of Archimondes skeleton on the world tree which also can be spreading corrution.


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Hakkar does seem pretty weak in Zul garub. but hes not supposed to be.

Every bit of story so far in game, says Hakkar is the cuase of hte nightmare.

Wailing Caverns. Druids of the fang. Corrupted by the nightmare. Hakkar is not named here. But the serpants/vipers should be a pretty good clue.

Sunken temple. Spelled out pretty good here. Green dragons gaurding his avatar. Atal ali trolls trying to resurect him. The green dragons are corrupted by Hakkar. The say it pretty good. Hakkar was too strong to kill. And they underestimated him. Erinikas was not supposed to be corrupted.

Zul Garub. Hakkar is feeding on the Loa gods. This is where is power is coming from. The primal panther, tiger, raptor, spider, bat gods of the trolls are being channeled to Hakkar. Hes grow stonger from it.


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I agree with you Calias.. every point of info from the game points to him being the cause except for this one fact: Hes easier to kill than whatever we'll be fighting in the Emerald Dream to defeat the corruption, unless they plan on making the Emerald Dream a pre-ZG, post-UBRS type zone.... which I don't see happening.

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Take note of my, power levels are relative post. :P

he's a 20 man raid, not cuase hes weak. but becuase they need him to be a teir.5 raid.

Plus, killing his body isnt killing him. He already died.. And the trolls resurected him. Hakkar the soulflayers power goes well beyond his physical form.


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so his shell is weak here who says his spirt cant rival yersa in the emerald dream....

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"Many Warcraft fans worldwide have read the three books of War of the Ancients Trilogy. A few details caused confusion among most lorekeepers and for that matter, we contacted Richard A. Knaak to shine some light into the matter. If you haven't read the books, be warned the following Q&A may be a Spoiler to some. Richard A. Knaak replied to few key questions I gathered from RP-PvP.com Forums* concerning War of the Ancients Trilogy. Here is what Richard A. Knaak said:

Blizzplanet: War of the Ancients Trilogy reveals that Ysera is mother of Cenarius and lover of Malorne. Are Ysera and Elune one and the same?

Knaak: Elune and Ysera are not the same. Here is the explanation, per Blizzard, who did not wish any further elaboration in the novel at the time:
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According to the Sundering, it is said that Ysera is Cenarius's mother. However, Dungard the Earthen says that he thought Elune 'birthed' Cenarius.

Elune birthed Cenarius, but gave him up to Malorne because Cenarius was more a creature of the mortal world and could not be with her. Malorne, who had relations with both Elune and Ysera, knew that he could not properly care for his son, but Ysera's love was so great for Malorne that she took Cenarius as her own. Hence being his mother (or adoptive mother).


Blizzplanet: This question has gone around in the Community for some time: Is Hakkar the Soulflayer and Hakkar the Houndmaster one and the same, or different entities?

Knaak: Hakkar first existed in WELL OF ETERNITY, as Hakkar the Houndmaster, my creation. Blizzard must have liked the name, because they accidentally took the name afterward for the troll god. Chris Metzen apologized for the mix-up at the L.A. Festival of Books.

Blizzplanet: The phrase "Sargeras ceased to be" confused many fans. Some think it means he died, while I interpreted it as he ceased to be in Azeroth and remains alive. Could you clear that up?

Knaak: Sargeras ceased to be in the sense of his physical being in the mortal world of Azeroth. He was cast into limbo, so to speak, as Blizzard wanted. Otherwise, he pretty much would have immediately returned to try to destroy Azeroth again. 'Ceased to be' was used specifically for that reason."


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