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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:39 pm 
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I believe I remember reading something along the lines of:

Elune


Old Gods/Titans





Everyone else.


This being because Elune is a "higher" being, an actual goddess.

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okay lets see now

i beleave it chould be their are five gods two good elune and ???
then the three old gods
becuse their was talk of none stop war till the titans came and put order to the unverse and the titans and two good gods teamed up on the old gods and locked em down

also where ever deathwing was when he made the demon soul has something their whether its an old god or some kind of link to them

*spoilers for the sundering*





marlone nailed yeresa and gave birth to Cenarias
Aszhara made a pact with the old gods before the well colapsed(aszhara = the new bad guy trying to usher in the old gods?) ala they didnt drown when the palace colasped and mutaed into the naga via the malestrom.

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marlone nailed yeresa and gave birth to Cenarias


Yeah thats what I thought too.

Then you read this...

http://www.blizzplanet.com/modules.php? ... ge&pid=121

It it seems like Marlone nailed Elune. Also is the Earthmother a real being or just something in Tauren culture?

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i take lore from blizz over all other lore.....

expecialy from knaak he works with the blizz ppl to write his storys so he doesnt mess with their work

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Same here but that book is found in WoW. I'd say the 2 are contradictory.

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I just got the Sundering so i'll be reading that and hopefully will finish soon. Also Deathwing created the Dragon soul in a very peculiar chamber as i recall. I don't quite remember the details of it though. Also Elune is a God for sure the night elves in WC3 constantly ask for vigilance etc or speak of her (when you click on them). And yes i now Rexxar is there for the onyxia key chain for horde thx, read my sig i'm horde i KNOW. But what i'm curious about is will we ever see him aid us in some actual battle or something etc.

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I dont know if the books said something differant. But WC3 stated pretty firmly I thought, that the simple effects of the magicaly energy of the well imploding transformed the High borne.
Like I said. Azshara working for the old gods, just doesnt fit with any of their actions.


Ill stand by the ysera thing as a mistake or whatever. The keepers, sons of Cenarious, and daugters look like deer and elves. Not dragons. at all. Elune has the form of a Night Elf female.

Garona started off as a human/orc, till they realised that was impossible, since orcs/humans never had contact in the 20 years prior in wich she would have had needed to be born..

Whoever made the "lore" that the mother of Cenarious was Ysera screwed up.


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I dont know if the books said something differant. But WC3 stated pretty firmly I thought, that the simple effects of the magicaly energy of the well imploding transformed the High borne.
Like I said. Azshara working for the old gods, just doesnt fit with any of their actions.


Yeah the books do state differently. Also I agree that their actions make no sense if they do indeed still have a pact with the gods.

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Ysera IS Elune.

The Night Elves see Elune in there dreams and in those dreams Elune is a Night Elf. Ysera was known to go into creatures dreams and speak with them.

But thats an entire other argument due to other plot changes that have occured.


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I love this thread.

Ershin dont take this to IM, we need something to read here!

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Ysera IS Elune.

The Night Elves see Elune in there dreams and in those dreams Elune is a Night Elf. Ysera was known to go into creatures dreams and speak with them.

But thats an entire other argument due to other plot changes that have occured.


Thats a real cool therory and Blizzard should have taken that as their stance but sadly they are 2 totally different entities. I'm sorry I have to keep going back to my RPG manual but Elune and Ysera are listed seperatly, they both have different challenge ratings and descriptions. Yesra is like 47 or something and Elune is 92.

Also while we are on the topic of Elune whats the deal with the Scythe of Elune? Why would something named after the great goddess bring something like the worgen to Duskwood?

If you have no idea what I am talking about...
Book from Sven's Farm: The Scythe of Elune

This is Sven's diary from that long questline in Duskwood. It raises some real interesting questions.

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I got the Ysera is Elune thing not only from all the other lore people on the raid forums but also read it on Blizzplanet which does have a lot of excerpts from the novels.

http://www.blizzplanet.com/modules.php? ... ge&pid=149

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Ysera was revealed to be the mother of Cenarius, and lover of Malorne -- as read in War of the Ancients Trilogy pocketbooks. What is not clear yet is whether Elune is the humanoid shape that Ysera shapeshifts to before the priestesses of the moon. It is known that Ysera never shows up in her physical form to others, and curiously, according to Warcraft RPG: Shadow & Light, Elune didn't show herself physically to the night elves either. Most likely Elune and Ysera might be the same entity.

Elune and Ysera are shown as entities that care for the lesser races with compassion. Mythology of the Night Elves is that Elune lived in the moon and at daylight she would live within the Well of Eternity. The Night Elves strength is stronger in the night, which may suggest that if indeed Ysera is Elune, that her power is stronger when creatures are sleeping.


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Thats a real cool therory and Blizzard should have taken that as their stance but sadly they are 2 totally different entities. I'm sorry I have to keep going back to my RPG manual but Elune and Ysera are listed seperatly, they both have different challenge ratings and descriptions. Yesra is like 47 or something and Elune is 92.

Also while we are on the topic of Elune whats the deal with the Scythe of Elune? Why would something named after the great goddess bring something like the worgen to Duskwood?

If you have no idea what I am talking about...
Book from Sven's Farm: The Scythe of Elune

This is Sven's diary from that long questline in Duskwood. It raises some real interesting questions.


Yeah this is part of my, "Elune" isnt as good as we think possiblity. Metzen LOVES corruption. satyr, naga, zerg, forsaken, scourge, twilights hammer, shadow, cult of the damned, dark irons, etc.. just keeps going on.
Over and over, characters give themselves or are enslaved to these beings.
From a Lore side, it would be an amazing change, if all of a sudden Elune can out, and demanded the Night Elves obey her and conquer the rest of the world.. Its clearly the kind of thing he'd do.

Or at very least, shes a moon goddess. And every moon has a dark side. We may see that she simply has "phases" from good to evil.


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Ershin wrote:
Also while we are on the topic of Elune whats the deal with the Scythe of Elune? Why would something named after the great goddess bring something like the worgen to Duskwood?

If you have no idea what I am talking about...
Book from Sven's Farm: The Scythe of Elune

This is Sven's diary from that long questline in Duskwood. It raises some real interesting questions.


An interesting thing could be with this Elune/Ysera thing that possibly the worgen have a part in the Emerald Dream's "corruption".

Another possibility is that the worgen are simply in search of the Scythe for other reasons, meaning the person in control of the worgen in Duskwood wants it for something.

Though personally I don't believe the worgen have anything to do with the Emerald Dream (its still a possibility) and also remember their are worgen in Silverpine Forest as well. My guess is that we will find out more about the Scythe of Elune once Karazhan is put into the game.

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Yeah not likely. As its Hakkar corrupting the Emerald dream.
We know this from Wailing caverns, ST, and now ZG.
Serpants, not werewolves. o.o

Worgan arent inherently evil it seems. Tribal, and barbaric. but no more then centaur/trolls/furbolgs, etc..
Its the Scythe,Aragul,Master of Karazan controling them.


The Scythe will clearly be a legendary weapon btw. Assuming axe, so not a caster weapon. chance on hit/or use summen wargon to fight for you most likely, ala ancient cornerstone grimoire,black blade of sharaz.


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